@All,
After a few years of hard work, I do believe I have found the answer.
I will not post it. I have offered to let someone else build it as they have been a leader in making Bessler known.
If they do not build it, then at a later date, I might.

What's the sense of posting a statement like this?
What kind of discussion should this lead to?

Quote from: P-Motion, 2011 April 27, 09:02:32 pm
  @All,
After a few years of hard work, I do believe I have found the answer.
I will not post it. I have offered to let someone else build it as they have been a leader in making Bessler known.
If they do not build it, then at a later date, I might.

Hi Jim
Nice to see that you still developing a solution.

Quote from: Grafi, 2011 April 29, 01:53:01 am
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44856#44856

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4651

http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4204

Warum hassen "ALLE" diesen Menschen, nur weil aus Amiland oder hat
das andere Gründe?

Wie Du aus DEINEM ersten Link erkennen kannst haz er Probleme mit seinen eigenen Leuten (zB aus Colorado)
Im Overunity.com gibt es mehr Infos.  Profil anklickem und Beiträge lesen. Inklusiv techn. Trads und Ideen die Bessler-Rad betreffen.
Es gibt gerade im overunity.com zum Thema Bessler recht viele
und ausgeführliche Beschreibungen und Ideen.
Sehr empfehlenswert für Interessenten

GP

Quote from: Helmut, 2011 April 29, 01:32:09 am
Hi Jim
Nice to see that you still developing a solution.

  Hi Helmut,
Just the person I was hoping to see  :-)
If you wish to translate, I can open source the idea.
It matches very well with Bessler's descriptions. And as I was told in this forum that he used tubes or pipes, there is a good reason for that if I am correct.
Please let me know if you are willing to translate. if so, i will attach pictures and drawings.
After all, I still remember you told me if I can help to make this happen, one day you might show me the proper way to eat sauerkraut and sausage  :-)

                                                                       Jim
                         

The first drawing is the basic mechanics of the scissor. As an example, the top section of the scissors is closed by a line lifting it.
This closes the entire scissors. As in Mt 25, the other end of the scissors recieves the same treatment. This allows the motion of the scissors to be reversed by movement of one lever.

  The second drawing is of Mt 25 showing that if the lever is at the 9'o'clock position, that it would have been in position to be lifting the scissors.
The end of the lever would have a cam that would be at a 4:1 ratio meaning that for every 4 inches of travel, the lever would lift the scissors 1 inch.

  The 3rd picture is of scissors. by securing one side to a pivot, the other side could have a slide allowing it to move. This would help to keep the load of the weight on the scissors
and help to maintain rdial alignment. This would mean the lines from the lever would not support the scissors, but act only to open and close them.

  As Mt 25 shows 90 degrees of rotation of the lever, if the top of the scissors is closed 1/2 as in the 3rd drawing, a travel of 3 inches equates to a travel of 12 inches of the lever.

This also if using a 2:1 ratio on the weights allow a 1 pound weight to replace a 2 pound weight. This would reduce the under balance resitence by up to 50%.

Also, because of the construction of the scissors, a weight would need to be placed on each side. Add the 1 weight on the lever and this would be 3 weights working together. Attempting to use 1 weight on the end of the scissors would interfere with the operation of the scissors.

Also, the mechanism for the outside of the scissors that transfer the force of the line would require tubes to guide the lines to prevent them from rubbing and wearing out. This is something that would be basically a home made hoist to allow the movement of the lever to be factored at a 4:1 ratio which it would be at the top.
   The warped borad would be a board running between the 2 outer rims of the wheel. It wouold make the wheel rigid and also not allow people to see inside the wheel.

  there is more, but I think for now it will be enough. Maybe now you will see why I find this tiring.


http://s979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Bessler/?action=view&current=possible.jpg
http://s979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Bessler/?action=view&current=Mt_025-1.jpg
http://s979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Bessler/?action=view&cuArrent=scissors.jpg

This is a quick drawing to show how the 4:1 ratio Bessler spoke of could work.
As Mt 25 dictates, it may be needed at both the top and bottom of the scissors.
In a German forum, it was said one of Bessler's clues was that he used tubes or pipes.
These would be to prevent unescessary wear on the lines.
This example shows how this could happen while balancing the load on the levers, scissors and other mechanical parts.
The line would make at least one revolution around each piece if I am correct.
The drawwing is just a simple illustration. And the tubes would be as needed.

  Pese,
This is the result of much work and harassment by others.
It is not a popular idea to believe someone can use math to understand Bessler.
I do hope you guys like this work i have done. I have met quite a few peole who have been willing to discuss different ideas which helped me to learn this.
If this is right, then all of those who have hated me can think of what they have brought into my life. And for what ? Being willing to work at and try ?
It is a sad day when honest effort is ridiculed.

Quote from: Grafi, 2011 April 29, 03:01:46 am
Jim, bitte in "deutsch" schreiben, ich kann kein englisch!
DAS IST EIN DEUTSCHES FORUM!

Wie soll ich dich anreden:
Jim/James
P-Motiom
Bessler2
to.late
James.Lindgaard
Jim_Lindgaard

PS:
I like Alan!

  Okay, so you are stupid. What is your point ?
My father spoke German better than English. Does that mean something ?
My father also is not an American like your friend. Are Americans better ?
jUST ASKING.

Quote from: Helmut, 2011 April 29, 01:32:09 am
Hi Jim
Nice to see that you still developing a solution.

  Helmut,
It seems that AB Hammer (Alan) and rlortie (Ralph) are trying to disprove Bessler.
rlortie posted in a forum that what i posted here is nothing.
They are a part of a private build group seeking profit.
Alan wishes to retire comfortabley.
On overunity.com they were considered not worth trusting because they did not share information.
Today, overunity.com has few people posting as AB Hammer is the main voice of reason, if you wish to call it that.
It may be that Bessler's last chance is in this forum if engineering is what is considered.

  Can someone ask Grafi why he supports someone trying to discredit Bessler ?
To me, this is a stupid joke because I am the one attacked.
And why ? Because I am trying to demonstrate apart of your history.
With AB Hammer, he disproves Bessler and then can patent his wheel.
Now he is smart, he does not work for free.
I guess that is my mistake.

Quote from: P-Motion, 2011 April 29, 06:28:02 am
  Can someone ask Grafi why he supports someone trying to discredit Bessler ?
To me, this is a stupid joke because I am the one attacked.
And why ? Because I am trying to demonstrate apart of your history.
With AB Hammer, he disproves Bessler and then can patent his wheel.
Now he is smart, he does not work for free.
I guess that is my mistake.

Jim   why do you care for such suspects?
It is you work. And you can be proude of it.
Oters know, that you are very sensitive about flames.
I guess, thats why they attac you.
So   do yourselve a favour and dont care about them.
As soon i have time i will translate your findings to german.

Besseler took his findings with him.
If one find aut about his secrets, the honor belongs to him
wherever he is from.

We germans suffer more from stolen Patents and findings that we lost afeter the ww2 .

Besseler ist not so important i guess.

Quote from: Helmut, 2011 April 29, 01:45:42 pm
Jim   why do you care for such suspects?
It is you work. And you can be proude of it.
Oters know, that you are very sensitive about flames.
I guess, thats why they attac you.
So   do yourselve a favour and dont care about them.
As soon i have time i will translate your findings to german.

Besseler took his findings with him.
If one find aut about his secrets, the honor belongs to him
wherever he is from.

We germans suffer more from stolen Patents and findings that we lost afeter the ww2 .

Besseler ist not so important i guess.

  Hi Helmut,
I think one reason why Bessler is important is because of the amount of work it takes to learn this. And for him to make his own materials to build a wheel, it must have been much work.
Some people just talk about what they might do, Bess ler did it. I think this is one reason why he was unhappy, jealous people.
With me, at times I find it frustrating to say the least.. I may be able to build a demonstration for you. This would show how the scissors and the 4:1 ratio work.

  Helmut,
It might be that people are afraid of finding out Bessler is like everyone else who has claimed to have a working wheel.
With me, I believe everybody missed important clues.

                                                                    Jim

                       

Quote from: donmartin, 2011 April 27, 10:26:29 pm
What's the sense of posting a statement like this?
What kind of discussion should this lead to?

It depends on the other person. I can not take sole responsibility for a discussion unless it is with a child. Then more should be expected of me.