@All,
2 interesting points.
The first is, except for some people who I was able to discuss things with in overunity.com, not de., it has been like talking to those people who considered Bessler  fraud. Some things never change.
And the second thing ? My father lived under the 3rd Reich for 3 years because germany invaded his country. I have had to deal with it.
So myself, I think it is not much to ask you guys for a little respect. It is at my expense that I am working on this.
It is like I posted in besslerwheel.com, I will still be insulted afterwards by the people in these forums. Things like, that is so easy, anyone can build it will be said. Better than having respect for how difficult somehting like this is. No appreciation of effort.

                                                            Bye

  More reasons to hate me.
I am not AB Hammer. And it was 5 years my dad lived under the 3rd Reich.
And here is a link to what I am working on. Bessler's drawings show what is different between what I am showing and what he did.
By the way, bessler was a Freemason. If you guys did not know that, then you missed the detail in his drawings.
The reason I mentioned AB is he does not build and does not get harassed.
A bad example to set for people. After all, he has been allowed to harass me in Stefan's forum. Makes no sense to me.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10736.0

edited to add; Helmut, thank you for being supportive the best you can  :-)
And to add pic. Helmut, for you I can explain more if you like.

Quote from: P-Motion, 2011 May 15, 06:09:23 am
  More reasons to hate me.
I am not AB Hammer. And it was 5 years my dad lived under the 3rd Reich.
And here is a link to what I am working on. Bessler's drawings show what is different between what I am showing and what he did.
By the way, bessler was a Freemason. If you guys did not know that, then you missed the detail in his drawings.
The reason I mentioned AB is he does not build and does not get harassed.
A bad example to set for people. After all, he has been allowed to harass me in Stefan's forum. Makes no sense to me.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10736.0

edited to add; Helmut, thank you for being supportive the best you can  :-)
And to add pic. Helmut, for you I can explain more if you like.

@ Jim
Better not to start talking about politics here
Because: Not one of us has started and or supported the 2ww
No one came to the idea to blame you of killing the Indians or Mayans-

At the time the awakening of the people begins.
The Media kept us stupid more then 60 years.
We are still okkupied and have no Peace agrements to the allies.
Why not.?  We even not have a constitution , which is worth to be named as such.
Why.
Our Polititians support war in several countrys. But the majority of the german population does not want this. And some other majority does not even know about this.
Why.
The US Government is supporting war in several countrys of the world and leave state terrorism.
Why.
My Family (2 Grandvathers) was bankrupt because of the 2ww
I have lost halve of the Family because of Bombing them.
They have not been Soldiers and had not been interestet in any war.

Why we do not just refuse to become Enemys in mind ?


So better  talk about Besseler only.

  Helmut,
I have to wonder why I was allowed to be harrassed and attcked for working on this.
People in other parts of the forum do not have to tolerate such things.
Is there a reason why Stefan allows someone working on Bessler to be continually criticized and belittled ?
I know when people pursue a better understanding of a part of history, it is not made into the joke that Bessler has become.
And as people in these forums prefer computer simulations to play with, maybe they do not understand how much work it is to build a wheel.
It is easier to sit comfortably in a chair and be the expert. One thing I have come to believe is that why it works will not be understood by mere discussion. People do not have the patience to learn new concepts.
Even with a working wheel, people still might wonder, how on Earth is it doing that.
Understanding something like this is not easy.

  @All,
I posted in besslerwheel.com that for people like myself who like math, Bessler's wheel has simple relationships.
DrWhat posted that he believed Bessler said he did much math to understand his wheel, this was to learn it. But once learned, he believed it was so simple, anyone could build it.
An example is when Bessler said "3 stones fly as 1". This is probably a literal statement. This would be because he used stones for weights.
I watched a show where people recreated a way that the builders of Stone Henge possibly used. One person could not understand why 4,000 years ago, they made round stones, if I heard this part right, were within 1 mm in diameter of each other.
This would suggest that the only metal Bessler used in his wheel was the axle.

  Can I think of myself as Falco and Bessler as Amadeus ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA

  @All,
Have realised both of Bessler's wheels.
But this is not important. According to
Stefan, AB Hammer is to take credit for teaching
me. To me, this is a joke. As a result, I have quit all work
and have thrown it in the trash. When people have no
respect for hard work, there is nothing to be gained from
continuing with this. AB Hammer has Hartiberlin's full
support even though he has never posted any work that
was discussed to help others understand what if anything he knows.
But to claim he taught someone how Bessler's wheels worked
is something I can not support.
But then, hartiberlin has always defended AB Hammer harassment of me, even when I was being treated for cancer. Stil, it is nice knowing and understanding what he did.
But then,I guess anybody can learn waht Bessler knew, all it takes is respect for his work and a willingness to learn from Bessler's work.

  @All,
I can only consider that people do not believe Bessler built a working wheel.
Other wise, a person doing actual builds to help understand his work would not be constantly ridiculed for such efforts. And doing so with what can be considered severe medical problems would only make a person wonder that much more.
There may be a way that I can get help in building it. Myself, I have no place to work and have those medical problems. Unlike other people, I have not mentioned them.
A person once posted in overunity.com that it would take someone considered an asshole to figure it out because most people will be against them.
I think at this point, people's pride has become most important. After all, if I am right, then what is it people can say who made things difficult for me ?
Some people will try to justify their behavior rather than forget about it. Bessler's wheel is not about them, but about Bessler.
His wheel is in his drawings. His clues help to confirm this.

Quote from: Grafi, 2011 July 06, 10:05:34 pm

  If the design works as I hope it will, I know his wheel will be much discussed.
One thing I do not know is if the other concept is his also.
It would be a more complex build because it would use more parts.
Still, to show the engineering of the wheel I am going to start building today, it will be brain candy.
I do not know how long it will take before I will have enough work done to show what it is. An actual build will do more to show what I believe is his wheel than posting many descriptions and drawings.

  @All,
I will try and explain some of Bessler's drawings.
Bessler said a cross section might work. This would be Mt 125.
It shows 2 bellows, one open and one closed. In the first drawing,
B1 shows potential. In drawing 2, it shows the correct alignment.
This is because all of the water will have been pumped into that bellow
when it is in that position. As it continues to rotate, it will start pumping
water into the opposing bellow. Likewise, because the empty bellow will start opening, this will help to draw water into it.
There are many more drawings that help make clear Bessler's design. It will
take time to fully understand them. As such, if the wheel I am building does not work, that is okay. It will be a start and help to demonstrate the proper mechanics.

edited to correct picture

Quote from: Grafi, 2011 July 09, 09:19:02 pm
wegen deinem Schwachsinn wurdest du doch schon in fast allen foren gesperrt!!!!

  ещё, я гочу ?

P-Motion wurde auf Overunity.com gesperrt, da er immer wieder denkt,
dass er von irgendwelchen anderen Usern verfolgt wird und dauernd immer
diese User attackiert hat.
Er hat gute Ideen zu Bessler, aber sein Verfolgungswahn nervt einfach..

Hier wurde er jetzt auch auf Moderiert gesetzt.

Wenn er nicht aufhört hier rumzunerven, wird er auch hier gesperrt.

English translation:

P-Motion was set on moderated, cause he always thinks that some other other users
try to follow him.....

Please no more fool language and politics over here.

He has some good ideas regarding Bessler, but his delusions of persecution (paranoia)
is really getting annoying...

am building. if it works as I expect it to, I will have nothing more to do with it.
I will just refer to the harassment I tolerated because my medical condition did not allow me other pursuits.